Tuesday, March 6, 2001

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Why I hate headhunters

They call it Monster.com for a reason . . .


From: "Ed OReilly" <Ed_OReilly@email.msn.com> To: <bill@shunn.net> Subject: outstanding Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:48:14 -0500

Good morning,

I have reviewed your resume and I like what I see. I have an outstanding position for you with on of my premier clients. My Client a global technology firm,in business for over 20 years specializes in back end web development for financial companies. My client opened their offices in NYC 2 years ago, and due to tremendous success are increasing their staff. Please call me and email your resume to me ASAP, and I will introduce you to my client. I am available 24/7 at the numbers listed below, so please feel free to call anytime.

Best of luck!

Ed

Ed O'Reilly
CYBERSEARCH
118 E 28th St, Suite 504
New York, NY 10016
tel: (212)686-4460
fax: (212)686-4755
cell: (917)447-7861
ed_oreilly@msn.com


From: Bill Shunn <opportunist@shunn.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:57 PM To: Ed OReilly <Ed_OReilly@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: outstanding

Ed, I'm not interested in the financial industry. If you have any opportunities in the arts/entertainment arena, feel free to get in contact with me. Also, keep in mind that I am not available for work until May.

My resume is attached in Word format.

Bill Shunn


From: "Edward O'Reilly" <ed_oreilly@msn.com> To: "Bill Shunn" <opportunist@shunn.net> Subject: Re: outstanding Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:03:45 -0500

The position I have is with an intergration company. Would that be of interest to you?

Ed


From: Bill Shunn <juryrigged@shunn.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:06 PM To: Edward O'Reilly <ed_oreilly@msn.com> Subject: Re: outstanding

That's something of a fuzzy term. What do they do exactly? Are they in New York City?

bill


From: "Edward O'Reilly" <ed_oreilly@msn.com> To: "Bill Shunn" <juryrigged@shunn.net> Subject: Re: outstanding Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:13:20 -0500

Yesthey are in NYC. They are an intergration company. They specialize in backend web development. It is a young environment using cutting edge technology. Is this something that would be of interest to you?

Ed


From: Bill Shunn <juryrigged@shunn.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:25 PM To: Edward O'Reilly <ed_oreilly@msn.com> Subject: Re: outstanding

So far nothing you've said distinguishes them from any other company doing backend web development. Do they work exclusively with financial clients? Can you tell me anything more than this at all? If not, then I'm probably not interested.

bill


From: "Edward O'Reilly" <ed_oreilly@msn.com> To: "Bill Shunn" <juryrigged@shunn.net> Subject: Re: outstanding Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:36:13 -0500

Hey Bill,

My client has been in business for 20years! They are an outstanding company working with many different types of clients, some of which happen to be financial and insurance. This opportunity is for someone who is a real go getter, someone who has strong technical skills and management skills. If this sounds like you, then please send me your resume so I can set up an interview. If your not interested, I wish you luck in your search

Thank you,

Ed O'Reilly
President
CyberSearch
118 E. 28th Street
New York, NY 10016
212 686 4460 (tel)
212 686 4755 (fax)
ed_oreilly@msn.com or
jobs@cybersearch.com




From: Bill Shunn <juryrigged@shunn.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:45 PM
To: Edward O'Reilly <ed_oreilly@msn.com>
Subject: Re: outstanding

Well, I sent you my resume a few emails back, if you didn't notice. But since I've expressed a negative interest in finance, why aren't you telling me what sort of other clients these folks have? You toss around buzzwords like they should magically pique my interest, and you not only won't define "integration" for me, but you don't even know how to spell it. (Clue: there's only one R.) I think I'll take a pass on this opportunity.


From: "Edward O'Reilly" <ed_oreilly@msn.com> To: "Bill Shunn" <juryrigged@shunn.net> Subject: Re: outstanding Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:15:35 -0500

Hey Bill,

I have sent you all the information I possibly can on this position. I am sorry to see that you are so displeased with your job that your frustration carries over to attacking people who are trying to help you. I hope you find what your looking for, maybe it will bring some sort of peace to your life and you will not feel the need to be be such an asshole! I hope you make a lot of money in your next move, because anyone who says money doesn't buy happiness doesn't fucking have any, they say money is the root of all evil, well look at the fucking smile on my face!!!! And yes my spelling may be slightly off, however my counting is pretty good, and the number you put at the bottom of you resume that you are looking for the $[deleted]K, I made that same number last year, however I a made that in the month of October!!! Keep winning those spelling bee's hotshot, and I'll keep on making your salary every month of the year!

Sincerely Yours, (Oh did I spell that right)?

Edward C O'Reilly


From: Bill Shunn <juryrigged@shunn.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 4:50 PM To: Edward O'Reilly Subject: Re: outstanding

Gee, did I touch a nerve? If you're through waving your dick around, consider that I told you *right up front* what I was and wasn't interested in, but you didn't change the approach you took with me one bit. That tells me that you're more interested in plastering a hole with the nearest warm body than in finding me a job that's right for me. Apparently your mindless pursuit of money has made you just like every other annoying recruiter in the world -- eager to line your pockets and heedless of your candidates' needs. And what I need certainly does not include the crumbs falling from your pockets.

Bill Shunn

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Hi Bill
Gee - I can only sympathise with your position with this head*unter - he can use his spelling skills to guess the missing letter.
I've been involved in a jobsearch for several months now and have to say my experience with recruiters is very mixed. There are some good ones - but there are a load like this guy who just talk BS to both candidates and their clients.
My own experience with many of them has been that a lot of them know very little about the businesses they recruit for or their clients and are totally disingenuous and superficial in their approach and motivated only by money. For this reason they don't try to help.
In particular, I have an unusual, left field background and some high-level credentials in my field but don't tick the standardised boxes for the field I want to go into - in fact I am a lot better qualified than many candidates and have many more transferable skills. many of the headhunters though will simply not consider me as they only want to tick boxes, and, as you say, paste over a gap with some warm flesh and earn a fat fee from a business that could have recruited a better person direct. If any of this sounds arrogant, it's not - I've checked my analysis by contacting senior people in the functions I am applying to directly, who actually know their business and almost without exception get a positive response. in a number of cases they've then put me up for the same posts their own retained headhunter had already reejcetd me for with barely a glance at the CV. Part of the problem is that those other process-fillers, in HR, brief the headhunters and both lots just go through standard processes and ignore the human factor. The only way to circumvent these people is to go to the actual managers of the business/function, obviously where credentials justify this.
So my experience chimes with your's, and with another encounter I had with some recruiters in a bar some years ago - obnoxious arrogant men who'd done nothing in their lives but thought they were fantastically better than everyone solely on the basis of their very large but unjustified incomes.
I like how the guy had a go at your point about spelling when these sorts of basic skills are part of the (quite correct) expectation of candidates. Half of these people couldn't do a "real job" not founded entirely on spin and bullsh*t and a basically the worse kind of parasite. I hope your contact has to endure things from the other side sometime soon.
(Btw, I try to resist internet comments but my own experiences made me feel I needed to get this of my chest).

Thanks for sharing your experience. I should point out that I have met many fine recruiters over the years, who I consider a different breed of professional from the folks I call headhunters. Best of luck in your job search!

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